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a new request from speaker boehner that could actually bring both sides together on the fiscal cliff. >> good, lord, is that possible? also, president morsi sends in tanks to keep the peace as violent protests rage in cairo. we'll have a live report from the region. >> i'll tell you what, it is a mess in egypt, the parties starting to fight each other, meet the new pharaoh, same as the old pharaoh, unbelievable. >> we have full coverage on that coming up, but first, let's get the news live at 5:30 a.m. at 30 rock in new york city. >>> the effort to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff is now a two-man operation. president obama and speaker boehner. thank you. nobody else will be in the room. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his mess dwrooj the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of
a new request from speaker boehner that could actually bring both sides together on the fiscal cliff. >> good, lord, is that possible? also, president morsi sends in tanks to keep the peace as violent protests rage in cairo. we'll have a live report from the region. >> i'll tell you what, it is a mess in egypt, the parties starting to fight each other, meet the new pharaoh, same as the old pharaoh, unbelievable. >> we have full coverage on that coming up, but first, let's get...
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cliff. >> speaker boehner says no progress has been made in the fiscal cliff talks with the president with just about three weeks left before the deadline. we'll check in with political editor mark murray. first, lawyers for george zimmerman have filed a lawsuit against nbc universal for its coverage of the february 26th, 2012 shooting death of trayvon martin in sanford, florida. it alleges defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. in a statement the parent company said, quote, we strongly disagree with the accusations made in the complaint. there was no intent to portray mr. zimmerman unfairly. we intend to vigorously defend our position in court. we'll be right back. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no. if he can't, no one can. that's why ally has a raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dollars to help those affected and to
cliff. >> speaker boehner says no progress has been made in the fiscal cliff talks with the president with just about three weeks left before the deadline. we'll check in with political editor mark murray. first, lawyers for george zimmerman have filed a lawsuit against nbc universal for its coverage of the february 26th, 2012 shooting death of trayvon martin in sanford, florida. it alleges defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. in a statement the parent company...
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talk about that do you know the fiscal cliff. do you think a lot of americans do so then why is the media talking about it incessantly well so good there i i guess i'm not as informed as i should be but i just kind of figure it might work out do you think most people feel that way you know you think most people are worried i think they are and i think that if i ignored it all go away do you think calling it something like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom that and the media loves that yeah do you think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas people fall into a trip when it comes to reelecting. people that don't do their job. which is all of them you know in a w
talk about that do you know the fiscal cliff. do you think a lot of americans do so then why is the media talking about it incessantly well so good there i i guess i'm not as informed as i should be but i just kind of figure it might work out do you think most people feel that way you know you think most people are worried i think they are and i think that if i ignored it all go away do you think calling it something like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a...
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this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and liberty, if you can't stand for those, and fight for them, they have no business being one of the two major political parties. >> monica is right, the republicans have allowed obama to ccntrol the debate, we have the morale high ground and our plan, obama in 2011 talking about tax reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great wi
this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and...
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silent over the fiscal cliff. most have headed home and the left and right aren't speaking to each other. of course, even though they're not talking to each other, that doesn't mean they're not talking about each other. here's what harry reid had to say about republicans today. >> not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan. he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks. sanchez, he's got tim tebow, and he's got a guy by the name of mcilroy. he can't decide who the quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. >> wow. for those of you who don't live in new york or follow football, the new york jets are an nfl team currently plagued by horrible things. infighting and embarrassing losses that culminating with mark sanchez's infamous butt fumble on thanksgiving. it shows how grim it is for the new york jets since their name is synonymous with failure and infighting. even when they won by a mechely point, their hometown pape
silent over the fiscal cliff. most have headed home and the left and right aren't speaking to each other. of course, even though they're not talking to each other, that doesn't mean they're not talking about each other. here's what harry reid had to say about republicans today. >> not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan. he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks. sanchez, he's got tim tebow, and he's got a guy by the...
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cliff, both the talks and the fact we're short on money. will it hurt his party or not? roland martin joins me. good to see both of you. ryan, you spoke very early on about how well you thought chris christie handled this sform politically and ever other way, but now he asks for fungd as republicans try to cut spending. is he hurting his own party? >> whether you're a republican or democratic governor you want to secure money from federal taxpayers. that's a classic move. it sure is. is it undermining republicans in congress? it probably is, but frankly chris christie is looking out for his own political future and it's his only option. new jersey is in a very tight fiscal situation because they have a balanced budget requirement. they can't run deficits the way the federal government can, and this has a huge impact on the state economy. frankly, i think you see more situations in which republican governors are going to be pitted against the republicans in congress because those governors, for example, they want that medicaid money to keep
cliff, both the talks and the fact we're short on money. will it hurt his party or not? roland martin joins me. good to see both of you. ryan, you spoke very early on about how well you thought chris christie handled this sform politically and ever other way, but now he asks for fungd as republicans try to cut spending. is he hurting his own party? >> whether you're a republican or democratic governor you want to secure money from federal taxpayers. that's a classic move. it sure is. is...
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potential impacts they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with those details from washington. >>> lynn, good morning. good morning, everyone. the president spent time with a family who answered a call from the white house. the question was what would you do if you had to pay another $2200 in taxes. that's what the white house says will be the average impact on middle class families if they don't work out avoiding this fiscal cliff. the president sat down with a couple, a teacher, a man who works at an auto dealership. they live with her family. the family says they're looking at a couple month's rent if they have to pay more taxes. the president reiterated he absolutely will not sign any deal that does not increase taxes on the wealthy in this country. he said the problem is solvable. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: now in a
potential impacts they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with those details from washington. >>> lynn, good morning. good morning, everyone. the president spent time with a family who answered a call from the white house. the question was what would you do if you had to pay another $2200 in taxes. that's what the white house says will be the average impact on middle class families if they don't work out avoiding this fiscal...
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>> make it good, ryan. >> i was going to talk about the fiscal cliff but, you know what? let's just -- >> bill clinton says the fiscal cliff is going to be solved. don't worry. >> i can't stop thinking about the python hunt richard is going to go on. >> we're going to start to hear from president obama from new cabinet picks. it will be very interesting.
>> make it good, ryan. >> i was going to talk about the fiscal cliff but, you know what? let's just -- >> bill clinton says the fiscal cliff is going to be solved. don't worry. >> i can't stop thinking about the python hunt richard is going to go on. >> we're going to start to hear from president obama from new cabinet picks. it will be very interesting.
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it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with my life. >> and congressman emanuel cleaver, great to have you on set with us. >>> coming up, nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd. and later in the show, "the economist" crunched the numbers and came up with the best countries to be born in in 2013. and the united states does not top their list. we'll find out who does ahead on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] there are plenty of reasons to be jolly at the chevy year-end event because chevy's giving more. more efficiency with sonic and cruze... more function in equinox and traverse... more dependability with the legendary silverado... and more s
it comes around the issue of the fiscal cliff talks about what the party wants to be. whether there's going to be a tea party 2 or whether there's something of a vacuum that doesn't get filled with demint leaving the senate. >> all right. david, thank you so much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday as we do every sunday. eugene, thank you as well. your latest column online at washingtonpost.com. >> guard that mustache, gene. >> i'm going to guard it with...
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potential impact they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with the details from washington. tracie, good morning to you. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. the white house has been all over social media with this one, asking what would happen if your family had to pay another $2,200 next year in taxes? 100,000 people responded, including that northern virginia family that the president met with yesterday. they said $2,200 for them is a couple months' rent. >> for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> reporter: the other big issue here on capitol hill, raising the debt limit. the president wants a new authority. mitch mcconnell filibustered his own bill. the senate minority leader filibustered his own bill that he had raised earlier about raising the debt ceiling. he called for a vote. democrats called his bluff and agreed to the vote. then he talked
potential impact they face from the looming fiscal cliff. it's now just 25 days away. nbc's tracie potts joins us with the details from washington. tracie, good morning to you. >> reporter: lynn, good morning. the white house has been all over social media with this one, asking what would happen if your family had to pay another $2,200 next year in taxes? 100,000 people responded, including that northern virginia family that the president met with yesterday. they said $2,200 for them is a...
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cliff. >> it's very important we get it done now. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are talking again. but still, no breakthrough. the parties are locked in a stalemate. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out any limit at all. >> reporter: republicans who say they're open to raising tax revenue say they will only do so in exchange for deep spending cuts. if washington can't strike a deal, one casualty will be compensation for the long-term unemployed. that means people like linda vega, are worried. >> christmas and things of that nature are probably off the table. >> reporter: aides to president obama and speaker boehner met yesterday afternoon. but that meeting ended with no discernible signs of progress. rob and paula? >> thanks, tahman. >>> once the numbers are all tallied, they're going to show that the 2012 presidential election was the most expensive in history. campaign
cliff. >> it's very important we get it done now. >> reporter: republicans and democrats are talking again. but still, no breakthrough. the parties are locked in a stalemate. president obama is demanding that higher tax rates for the wealthy and a permanent extension of the debt ceiling, the government's ability to borrow money, be part of the deal. >> he's assuming unprecedented power to spend taxpayer dollars out any limit at all. >> reporter: republicans who say...
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house of representatives speaker boehner says there is in progress in talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. four days after the g.o.p. laid out their proposal, speaker boehner said the white house has to have an offer. the deadline is now 25 days away. the president says there will not be progress until the republicans can agree the wealthiest americans must pay more taxes because it is going to hand. if it doesn't happen he will veto it. mike, the speaker boehner sounded, publicly, sounding frustrateing. >>reporter: he accused the president of slow walking the economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff and says if the president got the tax increase he wants the country would be facing trillion dollar deficits. >> this isn't a progress report because there is in progress to report. when it comes to the fiscal cliff threatening our economy and jobs the white house has wasted another week. >>reporter: he calls officials saying they are ready to go over the trip. >>shepard: democrats insist that revenue, revenue, revenue is the key. >>guest: president obama campaigned on it and obviously w
house of representatives speaker boehner says there is in progress in talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. four days after the g.o.p. laid out their proposal, speaker boehner said the white house has to have an offer. the deadline is now 25 days away. the president says there will not be progress until the republicans can agree the wealthiest americans must pay more taxes because it is going to hand. if it doesn't happen he will veto it. mike, the speaker boehner sounded, publicly, sounding...
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all i'll say is with a lot of talk about fiscal cliff, including this program, bald it could be a problem, the stock markets are dissonant. they're dissonant in the chinese soft/hard landing and putting it into a soft landing. something good is going on out there. and we better keep a good eye on it. i'm sorry we don't have more time. >> i think there's plenty of good things. >> folks, you're not going to believe this, you're not going to believe this, the michigan statehouse has just passed a bill in favor of making that so-called union paradise a right-to-work state. yes, it's really true. right to work in michigan. thought it would never happen. we're about to talk to the governor of the great state of michigan about this incredible development after the break. no more union paradise. americans believe they should be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the streng
all i'll say is with a lot of talk about fiscal cliff, including this program, bald it could be a problem, the stock markets are dissonant. they're dissonant in the chinese soft/hard landing and putting it into a soft landing. something good is going on out there. and we better keep a good eye on it. i'm sorry we don't have more time. >> i think there's plenty of good things. >> folks, you're not going to believe this, you're not going to believe this, the michigan statehouse has...
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point known as the fiscal cliff. decisions about taxes and spending are extremely important especially when we are adding $300 billion a day to our debt but the constant bickering of dueling politicians on both sides of the aisle, the endless kicking of the can, the brinkmanship as we approach that disaster is making all americans angry. i think you turned off and tuned out and i don't blame you. who can sit still and watch our country dragged into ruinous-and not be a little frustrated? as i said many times i came here from europe 40 years ago and instantly felt the warm embrace of a truly generous and free society and now i see america galloping down the european road. we have already reached european levels of debt and our leaders give as political pablum. we deserve better than this. the other night i left the fiscal cliff behind and took a walk through new york city. it was great. the lights, the christmas tree, rockefeller center, crowds of people with their children. was such a switch. "varney and company" wil
point known as the fiscal cliff. decisions about taxes and spending are extremely important especially when we are adding $300 billion a day to our debt but the constant bickering of dueling politicians on both sides of the aisle, the endless kicking of the can, the brinkmanship as we approach that disaster is making all americans angry. i think you turned off and tuned out and i don't blame you. who can sit still and watch our country dragged into ruinous-and not be a little frustrated? as i...
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. >> now the question is, what goes on with the fiscal cliff? could the number get any better? >> i think that is the hope on wall street and republicans that have been talk ug for years and of the business community and to start spending down their profits and there might be a better sort of ofavalanche, if u will. the question is, what does that deal have to look like to unleash those hopes? it probably has to be something permanent and not a punt. >> the republicans talked about two things, though. one, as you say, is about certainty and they say that businesses need that certainty to start hiring but they've also warned that if tax rates go up on the wealthy that would have have a negative impact. >> i think republican orthodoxy is bad. if you raise taxes on the wealthy, absolutely, it's going to drag on growth a bit. but the hope is among the analysts is that the positive impact of getting certainty and beyond just certainty, seeing that washington can avoid a debt limit fight, that might help boost confidence that would be very conducive to job creation. >> you bring up a
. >> now the question is, what goes on with the fiscal cliff? could the number get any better? >> i think that is the hope on wall street and republicans that have been talk ug for years and of the business community and to start spending down their profits and there might be a better sort of ofavalanche, if u will. the question is, what does that deal have to look like to unleash those hopes? it probably has to be something permanent and not a punt. >> the republicans talked...
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about the fiscal cliff. how do you think this could factor into discussion? >> yeah. i think that this roar today helps, i think the administration's case for the fact that we immediate to -- administration needs to -- democrats need to extend the tax cuts, bush tax cuts, forethose up to $250,000, probably immediate to extend the payroll tax cut. these are major forms of stimulus that middle income households and receive the dollars don't save it. they spend it. i think it also provides a little wind to the sail of the administration that we need to extend the unemployment insurance benefits that have -- we have been providing to families. which are another important stimulus for families here in the u.s. >> you answer made question about the work force because about a half million people left the work for according to bls and talked about why you believe that factored into it. what do you think is missing from the report, though? >> what's missing, i think of -- you know, we focus so much on the employment
about the fiscal cliff. how do you think this could factor into discussion? >> yeah. i think that this roar today helps, i think the administration's case for the fact that we immediate to -- administration needs to -- democrats need to extend the tax cuts, bush tax cuts, forethose up to $250,000, probably immediate to extend the payroll tax cut. these are major forms of stimulus that middle income households and receive the dollars don't save it. they spend it. i think it also provides a...
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a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious to come back to us with a counter offer. >> the president told a virginia family on thursday he won't back down on taxing the rich. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one. >> the rebels gain on assad raising fears he might use chemical weapons. that was enough to frighten the russians into talking with hillary clinton about a political transition. >> the united states stands with the syrian people in insisting that any transition process re -- result in a unified democratic syria in which all citizens are represented. the future of this kind cannot possibly include assad. >> a tragic turn of events in london. the nurse that first transferred that prank call to duchess catherine is found dead. david axelrod shaves it all off on "morning joe." >> joe scarbor
a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. it's time for the president, if he's serious to come back to us with a counter offer. >> the president told a virginia family on thursday he won't back down on taxing the rich. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this...
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far better than expectations but behind that number is the fiscal cliff. if congress doesn't act jobless unemployment benefits will go from a 72 week maximum down to 27 weeks. could that force a spike in the jobless rate again for 2013? joining us is todd schoenberger of wells fargo, senior economist. i know you were not thrilled with the numbers that came out today but you also have the issue of unemployment benefits and what that does to the economy. are you worried? >> you bet i am worried. if we leap off of the fiscal cliff you are looking at a minimum of 500,000 jobs eliminated and i am not talking low-wage jobs. i am talking about high five digit to six digit jobs. that will impact the overall economy. not just in the united states, also the global economy. you have to start looking at multinationals that trade on wall street. cheryl: some on the democratic side say they want to see unemployment extended for 200013. they argue it will hurt the economy if we don't extend unemployment. do you agree with that assumption? >> i don't think that is true. e
far better than expectations but behind that number is the fiscal cliff. if congress doesn't act jobless unemployment benefits will go from a 72 week maximum down to 27 weeks. could that force a spike in the jobless rate again for 2013? joining us is todd schoenberger of wells fargo, senior economist. i know you were not thrilled with the numbers that came out today but you also have the issue of unemployment benefits and what that does to the economy. are you worried? >> you bet i am...
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so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to
so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or...
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not limited to just worry about the debt and fiscal cliff and such. our program today just loosely, i'm welcoming you, obviously, joan walker's going the talk, ed reilly of sgi is going the give the polling results, and then ron brownstein of national journal is going to do our interview, and then we're going to have a panel discussion. so it's going to be a full and absolutely terrific day, i think. please, turn these babies off. and, again, welcome you. let me introduce joan walker. joan is executive vice president of allstate which is one of the country's largest insurance, we're in good hands with allstate, we all grew up with that. joan has been a terrific partner, in the last four years she's responsible for all corporate relations with allstate. prior to joining that company in 2005, she did similar work with monsanto and qwest. she is a consummate marketing and communications strategist which, of course, in this town of washington is really all about. so, joan, thank you very much, and we want to welcome our friends here. [applause] >> good mo
not limited to just worry about the debt and fiscal cliff and such. our program today just loosely, i'm welcoming you, obviously, joan walker's going the talk, ed reilly of sgi is going the give the polling results, and then ron brownstein of national journal is going to do our interview, and then we're going to have a panel discussion. so it's going to be a full and absolutely terrific day, i think. please, turn these babies off. and, again, welcome you. let me introduce joan walker. joan is...
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all this talk about the fiscal cliff and all the tough words there's this code coming through in the language this evening, which could make quite a difference if it leads to a deal. it's really worth looking at very, very closely, and we will. we're also going to talk about the president's pot problem. he doesn't really have a pot problem, but he's got a pot problem. he's out west and it could make a big difference to him. and a lot of his constituents who helped push him back into office. it's really going to be a difficult issue for the white house to grapple with, i suspect. it's all coming up on "erin burnett outfront." >> the interesting thing about the pot problem, as you say, well, it's clearly been a big topic ever since the election. there is a real federal states rights issue going on there. >> yeah, there is. and the problem is if you pursue that path, well, there are a lot of other things that are federal states rights issues. so it's a very tricky thing to watch. you can't just look at one part of the issue and say it's just about that because then other people will com
all this talk about the fiscal cliff and all the tough words there's this code coming through in the language this evening, which could make quite a difference if it leads to a deal. it's really worth looking at very, very closely, and we will. we're also going to talk about the president's pot problem. he doesn't really have a pot problem, but he's got a pot problem. he's out west and it could make a big difference to him. and a lot of his constituents who helped push him back into office....
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paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good idea? >> i think it is a good idea. >> if you look at the accounts of the negotiations of 2011 when you had boehner, mcconnell, nancy pelosi all in one ba bainer and the president who were on the phone meeting privately. they could go fwook their constituents and boehner could go to eric cantor and see what kind of deal they could get. but that was the dynamic that came the closest. >> they didn't have control of their parties basically right? does john boehner have more control? >> they think obama can get anything through the house of representatives. but everything that has happened since the election all of the moves in the republican caucus have been about boehner consolidating control over that tea party caucus that didn't allow boehner to get a deal in 2011. >> there will be some criticism about it being two people
paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good idea? >> i think it is a good idea. >> if you look at the accounts of the negotiations of 2011 when you had boehner, mcconnell, nancy pelosi all in one ba bainer and the president who were on the phone meeting privately....
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he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by some as a way to close ranks over a potential fiscal cliff deal with the white house. outside conservative groups are voicing their displeasure saying speaker john boehner could even lose his speakership. carl cameron joins us live in washington. so he has a lot of problems with conservatives right now, car. >> reporter: sure it's not just off the hill. some of the members on the hill. fiscal conservatives are once again whispering, in some cases outwardly and openly explaining about house speaker john boehner and his handling of the negotiations with the white house. john boehner's proposal to increase revenue $800 billion by closing tax loopholes and reforming the code has real problems for some house republicans, most of whom actually campaigned promising to at least hold the line if not cut taxes. this week john boehner tossed four c
he's struggling to avoid going over the fiscal cliff. he's facing growing criticism from members of his own party, the speaker removing four conservative congressman from key committees, the move seen by some as a way to close ranks over a potential fiscal cliff deal with the white house. outside conservative groups are voicing their displeasure saying speaker john boehner could even lose his speakership. carl cameron joins us live in washington. so he has a lot of problems with conservatives...
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one-on-one to try to work out this fiscal cliff situation but both sides appear to be very far apart still. >> it should be no substitute for our passing a middle income tax cut now. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> they will lose completely by the end of the year their benefits. this is the real cliff. martha: all right. we're joined now by chris wallace, anchor of "fox news sunday". chris, good morning. good to see you. a lot of hubbub today about the fact that john boehner and the president are going to sit down one-on-one. there is a lot of optimism i heard from many circles this morning that this means something is going to happen, that something will get done. should we believe that? >> well i wouldn't be that optimistic. i have a memory at least as long as august of 2011 when the two them sat down together and were negotiating the debt debacle. that didn't go so well. martha: no, it did in the. >> it completely fell apart. it is good they're talk
one-on-one to try to work out this fiscal cliff situation but both sides appear to be very far apart still. >> it should be no substitute for our passing a middle income tax cut now. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> they will lose completely by the end of the year their benefits. this is the real cliff. martha: all right. we're joined now by...
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now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. [laughter] let me start off just by, what we will do chris, we will do the house rules and cut in half. in 30 seconds and then we will have time to elaborate on all of this. i just want to go through the panel. what do you think the odds are that some kind of appeal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it's 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is though, is this going to be a big enough deal and will it actually be the down payment that will lead to something else? it will actually avoid the consequences. that percentage would be lower than the 80%. >> let's come back to the big picture. just in the short-term by january 1, will we avoid the cliff? >> i think it's likely that we will avoid it. it's so easy for us just to do what we need to do. i think the real line in the sand is -- and i have said that for a long time. i think that is one hopefully by that time we will have real entitlement reform which will b
now we can talk about the fiscal cliff. [laughter] let me start off just by, what we will do chris, we will do the house rules and cut in half. in 30 seconds and then we will have time to elaborate on all of this. i just want to go through the panel. what do you think the odds are that some kind of appeal will be cut by january 1 in order to avoid sequestration? mark, i will start with you. >> i think it's 80% that we will avoid sequestration. the question is though, is this going to be a...